as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
"And how can the overlapping teaching be true if it isn't found in Gods Word?.. (referring to criteria 1. I sense that DD is getting peeved that I have taken things off topic. Sorry.)"
The official answer is that it is true beacuse it comes from Gods mouthpiece, his slave-class.
But DOT...I think you are beginning to understand. The real reason is something different........the GB took a risk by publishing such an illogical statement....they must have had good reasons for it.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
So God is testing his servants when they have to accept illogical teachings, just like the overlapping generations? And he was testing his organisations lojality during the time when vaccinations and transplants were forbidden? OK, I am sure God is very happy to know that thousands of loyal JWs diedto show their love and loyality to God and his organisation.
And now the loyal jws vill have to accept this histoty of the organisation without feeling disgust for the tragedies mentioned above. Maybe this is a test of the contempories aswell?
But, if it's only a question of loyality, why bother trying to explain such a teaching as the overlapping generations? It could easyly be stated: "Accept what we tell you, we don't have to tell you why you should believe this". That would be a much more effective test.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
Yes, Brainfloss, and it makes it possible for the org to hang on to the 1914 teaching.
I know some specualation of 2034. 1914+120 years
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
Wt 6/15 1962 p.380-383
"Likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future. One might ask, In what year will Armageddon begin?...Jehovah has not provided answers at this time. Do you think it wise for Christians to take time from more profitable Bible study to speculate on the answers? Consider the dangers...involves more than saving time. It may save your life...Personal theories can cause division of thought..By setting up hypothetical situations and then speculating..are we not in fact adding to Jehovahs words?..We cannot worship Jehovah in spirit and in truth if our worship is based on speculation. Truth and theory are not synonymous. "
Thank you, DOT. This one is really a gem! Just a few years later the WT-society started that 1975-hype. I am sure this can be something for JW-facts :P
But, to be honest; do you really think that Heavensgate will provide an explanation for the overlapping generatian thats is trustworthy? And, both you and I knows that the overlapping generations is the PRESENT truth......but, do you really think it is the real truth? I know a lot of active JW who think this teaching is ridiculous and that is has to come new light again.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
Punk! Yes, that's my point about the bible quotes. But I don't see the need to hammer in that the bible is just fraud....it's better if a believer gets to that cobclusion himself. If you can get a believer to read the bible with new/critical eyes, he will probably realize that christianity started as a apocalyptic dooms-day cult. Lot's of people put their lives on hold (in best case) believing that the end of the world was near. That was tragic then, nd it is tragic in the same way know. But I think that every person has to come to his/her own conclusion.
I think it is important being careful talking to an active JW with doubts. D O T has started thinking, that's great. And he/she has alwas been nice on this board. I see no need to hammer in some TTATTs. Lets try to be polite, I am sure that D O T is honest iin his/her questions.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
OK, So the son of man came already in the year 70 AD?? Hmmm, apologetics can be reaaly interesting and "creative". :)
By the way, there is one verse in the NT that gives possibility for a late return of Christ, that's in 2 Peter. But 2Peter was vritten som 100 years after Jesus death.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
OK, I'll give you another examle:
Mattew 10 :23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
But think about it. Is there one single verse in th gospels where Jesus stated that hundreds or thousands of eyars shuold pass before his return? Is there an example in the bible that the first chistians did not expect Jesus to return in their time?
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
Come on, Defender, thats the classical apologetics you will hear from christendom!
Should really Jesus have said that some of the listernes will not taste death until an event that took place one week, or maybe 8 days later??
Don't forget that Jesus spoke about judgement in verse 27.......and also said "coming in his kingdom". That transfiguration thing it is in the same level of credibility as the overlapping...you know what.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
The comparsion to Jesus is obvious:
New International Version (NIV)
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
So the instructions in the WT litterature is not to be taken litterary? That sounds interesting. Not getting old in this system was not to be understood in thay way......only as an illustration that the end is/was near? Hmmm, what other instructions are to be seen as illustrations or paraboles?
Heavensgate, you have opened up opportunities for JW to bet much more livberal. The instructions from the "slave" are not to be taken litterary! But....if I were in defendersshoes, I would be a bit sceptic
Carry on, Haven!
